*kate*'s refeed - wwwhhhoo! - Page 2

ConnieK.. · #21 07-10-2008, 10:51

Hi Kate,

Looks like you are breezing through refeed - well done!

Enjoy the new foods and the new you!

Connie

becca · #22 07-10-2008, 12:28

Hi Kate,

Congrats on reaching refeed, glad all is going well for you and you are enjoying all the new foods.

Hope ist not to stressful for you.

Well done.

Becca xx

*Kate* · #23 09-10-2008, 19:36

Hi all

Thanks for stopping by, sorry I have not been around things have been super crazy and have not had a lot of spare time.

I am almost finished refeed - 4 days to go! I am a little worried about what sugar/bread is doing to me. It makes me want more more more. I am still very obsessed by food i.e the more I can have, the more I want. I realise just how careful I will have to be in maintenance and that I can't have any of this food in the house. I just had a scotch finger biscuit and as great as it was, all I could think when I was eating it was 'I can't wait a couple of days till I can have two of these' - not the right thing to be thinking.

I have also been having trouble with the new protein - I have never eaten any other protein that was is on the plan and I hate all others...tried veal/pork/other parts of chicken and I have ended up dry reaching through all of them. I understand the importance of new protein but I am having a very hard time introducting them when I have never eaten them and will never eat them again if that makes sense??

So all in all I am loving the new food but I feel like I am going to have to go through a whole new detox once refeed finishes. I know I can't have as much bread as I have been..I love it but it just makes me hungry, dosn't fill me up and makes me want more of it.

becca · #24 10-10-2008, 11:19

Well done Kate, you are flying through refeed, bet you cant belive it is nearly over.

Good luck with the end and keeping yourself in line, you have come this far you can maintaine this for life.

Be Strong.

Becca xx

lucylou · #25 10-10-2008, 12:12

Hi Kate

Not long now and you'll be making all your own choices about which protein you want to eat...or not from the sound of it!

What a shame we can't just live on biscuits

Well I guess we could but we'd end up back where we started and after such a huge effort it hardly seems worth it. Bring on the meat and veggies in maintenance.

x

LL

Kohinoor · #26 11-10-2008, 23:35

Hi Kate,

Woohoo !! Important newly-gained knowledge right there, eh?

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I am a little worried about what sugar/bread is doing to me. It makes me want more more more. I am still very obsessed by food i.e the more I can have, the more I want.

I've heard similar stated in different ways many times. The key is in understanding this - and refeed is the place to take notice - then, the Maintenance Guidelines do (I believe) add extra "tricks" related especially to carbs.... So, well done you for "listening" to your body - it'll stand you in good stead for the rest of your life

Spend a bit of time in the Maintenance Diaries, and you'll be streets ahead when you finish in FOUR days !! There's a wealth of experience to draw on. Good luck with these final steps,

Koh

*Kate* · #27 12-10-2008, 07:58

Confession time....yesterday was not good.
I could have two sweet biscuits yesterday (this is the one thing I was looking fwd to on maintenance) and of course it sent me bonkers. I had the two and wanted more...I thought right instead of my serving of other carbs I will have another sweet biscuit. To try and get rid of the craving/binge thing that was going on in my head I had a mango, didn't work. There was one scotch finger biscuit left and I thought just have it so the temptation isn't there (hello behaviour from 6 months ago!). We have some family coming over today and I was to make a violet crumble slice..yes you can see where this is going. I started making it and had a lick of the beaters (cream cheese, cream, sugar), then ate some violet crumble, then ate some bertle beetles that I have been saving for months throught the program. To make matters worse we were going out for dinner for someones birthday, and of course instead of eating my meal before we left I went 'f it damage is done' and ate out which invovled garlic bread and a variety of curries and rice. I got home and ate a slice of the violet crumble mud cake. It is funny but I can't desribe the way I am feeling..........in fact all I can think about is all the food I want to eat (and as we have ppl coming over we have it all in our house). I just need to focus and learn from my experience. I am disappointed in myself but at the same time not at all surprised by it. I can't believe that I follow cohen's for 5 months and 1 day out of finishing I do this.

My other concern is I have not been following refeed 100% due to the protein situation. When it has said to add new protein and I couldn't stomach it I just added the old protein...don't know if that has anything to do with it??

So the result is 64.4kg this morning which I am actually happy with considering last night. Anyway, I just need to focus and get through today.

Stoddy · #28 12-10-2008, 08:12

Hey Kate

I just wanted to say .. I have been reading your diary ... seeing as you are infront of me ... getting tips like the bread/crispbread issue .. thanks for that .. I thought I was having like 5 old biscuits and could sub bread on top so thanks for the tip .... am only in my first week but I feel like I am thinking about food and what is coming up all the time too.

Sorry to hear about your little blowout yesterday ... I have heard of this a few times from people after refeed ... thing is .. I was never a chocoholic or anything like that .. more a savoury snacker .. not a sweet snacker .. but after so long of not being allowed to have stuff ... I think we are curious .. or crave more for it .. wonder if now it is out of your system you are ok .... not sure ...

I thank you though for putting this in your diary ... it is something I will look out for .. cause yes .. I already picked up on what day I can have the scotch fingers too and been counting down .. maybe I need to stop, look at tomorrow only and not about what is coming ... can't help but look at commercials now and say oh in so many days I can have that .. I don't really want it .. it is just cause I was told I COULDN'T have it that part of me wants to say .. well yes I can now !! uuugh .... is this what the rest of our lives will be .... I have read the maintenance tips .. so I guess we do what the good doc has suggested .. and we will maintain ...

So are you going to go back two days for your deviation ?? Learn from it ... and keep going !!

You have done fantastic Kate .... how are the wedding details going !!??

Annabelle Joy · #29 13-10-2008, 21:40

Just caught up with your diary again, Kate. Sorry to hear you had a bad day. You're certainly not the first to get through the diet without problems, then have a blowout in refeed.

Have you talked with your consultant about the protein? I think what you have done is okay if you don't plan to eat other proteins in the future. The idea is to test our bodies out on the new foods while we are monitoring the effects so we know what to avoid in the future. If you never plan to eat any protein other than the ones you've been eating, no need to try the others out. However, just something I thought I'd read, best check with your consultant.

My clinic has told me to go in to see them again when I start mixing proteins, then again near the end of refeed for maintenance. I have an appointment tomorrow for the mixing proteins half of refeed, started doing it yesterday.

I hope I don't react as you and others have done to a Scotch finger biscuit. I don't think it matters whether we previously loved sweet things (I do) or not, it seems the introduction of carbs takes over. The idea of refeed is for us to find out what we can't eat once we finish, or must be very careful eating. I hope you will be able to go back then finish successfully.

AJ

Annabelle Joy · #30 17-10-2008, 20:53

How are you getting on, Kate? Are you still on refeed?

AJ

*Kate* · #31 19-10-2008, 20:26

Hi all

Thanks for checking on me AJ - you really are the angel of this forum.

Well needless to say one day blowout has come to a week blowout and as a result I am up about 4kg from my lowest weight during refeed. So yes I 'offically' finished refeed but what has happened after has been shocking. Sugar = craving = total and utter blowout. To give people an idea of what it can lead to on one day (yes one) I had a sussage roll, a packet of lollies, carmel slice, another sweet slice, 2 slices bread, one breadroll, chicken......it was scary. On another day I had a whole block of chocolate to myself. It was funny throughout this week I have been saying "it is ok, you havn't had it in so long, just try it now and get back on track later". My stomach is so totally bloated, I have been gassy and just overall feeling like ****. To make it worse I am meant to be meeting the dressmaker in November for the wedding dress...might try and put it off for a couple of weeks. So where to from here? Back on the plan to shift the excess weight (I am assuming for at least about 3 weeks) and then I am going to do refeed again and hopfully better manage maintence i.e no total blowouts and allow my body the chance to adjust to its new weight. For those that are wondering I have always had a sweet tooth and was also a binge eater so these behaviours are nothing new for me. Through work I get 3 free counselling sessions so I am going to book one in as soon as possible to look at coping strategies.

I realise this is so not ideal but people need to know the reality of what can happen if we don't manage ourselves correctly in maintence. I am assuming we all think we will be different, and for a lucky few they are...but please be aware of what sugar can do to you!

Fingers crossed my big fat bloated tummy will be gone by the end of the week.

On happier news..we have a new addition to our family (no I am pregnant lol). Introducing Maddie our new adorable puppy. She is a totaly sweetheart (and half the reason I haven't been around here). On her second day she ate wire (similar to finishing wire) and got it caught in her throat so we had to rush her to the vet..totally put me off having kids as that situation stressed me out!

Kohinoor · #32 19-10-2008, 21:47

Hi Kate,

Quote:

So where to from here? Back on the plan to shift the excess weight (I am assuming for at least about 3 weeks) and then I am going to do refeed again and hopefully better manage maintenance i.e no total blowouts and allow my body the chance to adjust to its new weight.

Before you do that, Kate, do check this - I've been thinking of it for a while, based on words I've read from some very smart people on here:-
http://newyouforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6408

Words I've read have me thinking that "going back on plan" might be detrimental if you had already reached goal weight. See what you think though (I'm certainly no "oracle" on here - I just read a lot - and think a lot too...)

Hugs,

Koh

Annabelle Joy · #33 19-10-2008, 22:06

Kate, the problem (as you know) is getting off the carbs. Buy a barbecued chicken, take the stuffing out and put the stuffing in the bin, then put the chicken in the fridge. Maybe add a block of cheese and some hard boiled eggs. When you absolutely must feed your cravings, give them protein, not carbs. Are you taking chromium? That should help too. Don't worry about the diet initially, try to cut back some but eat things you like as long as they are not carbs. Get your insulin back under control and the fluid gone, then see where your weight is.

My consultant says that if you want to eat something you shouldn't, wait half an hour before you give in to it. If you still want it in half an hour, have just the one then wait another half hour. She says that usually the desire disappears within half an hour.

Anyway, that's my thoughts on coping with the food cravings. It might be worth talking with your consultant about maintenance guidelines again.

AJ

Annabelle Joy · #34 19-10-2008, 22:06

PS the puppy is so cut

AJ

rocks · #35 20-10-2008, 12:00

Kate,

Your last post was honest and point blank, wonderful. I am around 7kg from re-feed and feel as though some days my body says its ready for more food, but i know that this is something i have to be mentally ready for as well, a point which you couldn't have expressed any better. I am sure your not alone with the post re-feed blow out, one of my girlfriends never made it through the over night transition from cohens to re-feed. The inner demon is a nasty thing, i am sure you'll get on top it and find your rythm. Good luck

indiana13 · #36 20-10-2008, 18:47

Hi Kate,
Firstly congratulations on sticking to the program for 5 months and giving yourself a healthy new body!
I used to have chronic BED (binge-eating disorder) and bullimia (it only escalated to this for a short time and then I decided enough was enough) when I was in year 12 and last year which led to my gain in weight. I had about 4months of counselling with a psychologist (I was very stubborn for a start because there is such a stigma around this!) who helped me immensly. I'm not saying you have an eating disorder (sorry if it sounded like that!!just wanted to give you some background first...

) but i would definitely recommend using up those 3 consults!
For me, binge eating is exactly how you describe it...it starts out small and just goes and goes...
If I could give you any advice I would say you need to take a look at when, where and why these episodes happen and then try to figure out a way around. Yes, carbs - isn't it always? But why do you need to keep going? Boredom, loneliness, nervous about people coming over, stress?
In my case, if I allow myself a treat when I'm alone it is TOTALLY dangerous. I feel guilty about what I've just eaten, that leads to anxiety, that leads to another biscuit/spoon of ice-cream/etc to calm the feeling and there goes the spiral and then the killer "I've done so much damage already may as well keep going". The way I try to handle it is only allow myself to eat things that set me off on a binge when I am with others. I NEVER binge when I am with other people - only alone. I still can't risk having binge triggering food in the house, so it is difficult!
Try to remember what it feels like after the binge and how good it feels when you are comfortable after eating.
Another thing is to always eat your next meal (make it healthy!) even if you are full, this will generally stop another binge later in the day.

Not sure if this is relevant at all to you but I hope it helps. Goodluck moving forward, the main thing is you learn more everytime it happens until you are so smart that you beat binging.

Em x

hexi2 · #37 23-10-2008, 15:02

OMG Kate you sound just like me when I finished refeed...I had my first binge after having 2 biscuits while on refeed, went back a couple of days and then just went nuts post refeed....

It is 6 months down the track for me now and honestly it has taken me at least 4 months to sort of get on top of my 'newly' established bingeing behaviour...I started a thread on it in the maintenance thread called 'obession, panic' something to that effect. Well I am pleased to say that while I haven't got back to my goal weight of 60 kilos for the last 6 months I have been able to maintain a weight between 4 - 7 kilos over goal...while that doesn't seem like I have won I felt like I have. I am not 60 kilos overweight anymore I am maintaining my weight and as I work through things I am sure I will get back to my goal weight...I am not rushing this though.