Anyone gain on refeed?

[Maya]

OH MY GOD, SHELL YOU JUST MADE MY WHOLE MONTH!!!!!! !

CAN I SQUEEZE YOU , OH MY GOD, THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!!!!!

I HAVE BEEN TRYIN TO GET A SCALE that would not be so sensitive to motion of the boat soooo hard, everywhere... on line, in stores... I have been taking the scale everywhere in the boat to see where it would show the least changes... found out if I put it on the dining table (the only really flat surface on the boat) and stand on it - would be the most acurate...imagine me, 5 am naked on the scale on the table...Oh, God...

Oh, now I can relax... I already thought I will have to take 2 weeks off, go in hotel and pay big bucks or sth ...

You have NO IDEA how happy I am right now ... thank YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU !!!!

[shell]

No Problem at all Maya,
Have a great day
Shell

[sundaymorningstaple]

Originally Posted by Maya

...imagine me, 5 am naked on the scale on the table...Oh, God...

Interesting & I'm trying to imagine it!

But as I'm not yet on maintenance, I don't think it would be an approved breakfast!

[Maya]

OK, so about gaining that kilogram on the refeed... This is STRAIGHT from the Refeeding guide:

If you notice that you gained weight during Re-feeding:
a. If the weight you gained is less than 2 lbs (1 Kg), ignore it, because it is most likely temporary water retention. You need to remain with the program.
b. If you gained 2 lbs (1 Kg) or more, go back 2 days on your Re-feeding Program (your specific days), and carry on until the end. (Example: If on Day 16 you have gained 2 lbs (1 Kg) or more, go back to Day 14).

Re-feeding ends when you have reached the last day of the program, or if you had to go back and repeat the same 2 days more than once.
(Example: You gained 3 lbs (1.3 Kg) by Day 16 and went back to Day 14. When you reach Day 16 again, you notice that you again gained 3 lbs (1.3 Kg) — meaning that this is the maximum your body can tolerate without going up in weight. Therefore, your Re-feeding ends here. Just note the quantities you have consumed, as these will be your limit.

If you gain weight during Re-feeding, follow the instructions above.

�� Weight gain during Re-feeding is because the body was not ready yet for this amount of food. Going back 2 days in the process helps the body to adjust.

So, as Shell wrote in my diary, she said, that she understands (as I did), that if you gain more than 1 kg from your refeed starting weight, you have to go back 2 days. So if you start re feed say on 56kg, if at any time during re feed you go over 57kg, you have to go back and repeat the previous 2 days.
But this was the answer from my consultant:

...Remember that you are weighing yourself every morning on refeeding - this means that if you have gained less than 1kg overnight, that may be water retention and you carry on on the program.
But, if you gain more, then you need to go back two of your personal
days. It does not say if you have gained 1.3 kg through out your program
- this is strictly overnight. Or towards the end if you have gone
back the 2 personal days and then find after having done this, the 1.3 kg
is back - you know that you have reached the end of the refeeding.


...anyone?

[sundaymorningstaple]

Again, I think maybe Asy may be the best person here to answer that. Or maybe Andy who just finished. I spoke with my consultant and the way my program is written is as you have noted. It's not from the Refeed Starting Weight but an "OVERNIGHT" gain of 1 kg. I think the "key words" here are, and I quote "If you suddenly gain weight:". If you gain a kilo over say 14 days from the start of refeed, that isn't suddenly. If you gain a kilo overnight, that IS suddenly. It also says that you should not start Refeed until you reach your Goal Weight. Again I quote from my program: "Refeeding must only begin when you reach your goal weight. Refeeding is most effective when you weight is within the range suggested by Dr Cohen." To me, it's pretty cut and dried and also indicates to me the answer to the hunger question as well as it doesn't say anything about going below your/Dr. Cohen's target. In fact it advises just the opposite.

However, as is seemingly noted per the other question a couple of days ago, there seems to be discrepancies between the various countries and even with subsidiaries of the same countries (like between Singapore & Australia) although I haven't seen any discrepancies in programs as of yet.

To me the program spells it out fairly clearly. One must remember that on this forum, something that is said that is not the same as your program or directly from Dr. Cohen, in all probability is not entirely correct. It may be a personal interpretation of the program. The program is your bible. When in doubt, Believe it.

[kagiesen]

Hi Maya

mine says to re-do the days either if you gain 1 over night, or if it creeps up on you from starting weight, as then obviously you're eating slightly too much too quickly. That's what my consultant explained to me. So really your max weight after refeed would be 900 gr above stating weight.

Katrin

[Maya]

[COLOR="blue"]OK, so I got the last advise from my consultant, saying:

The weight gain is as follows: keep in mind that you are weighing
yourself every day. So if you gain more than a kilo, you rectify the
problem immediately by going back 2 of your personal days. The line that
says" If you gain weight during Re-feeding, follow the instructions
above." comes from the summarised instructions below the whole explanation
of what to do if your see a weight gain on your refeeding one day when
you way.
Tip: if you are in doubt, go back 2 of your personal days. In that
way you are playing it safer and you will not be making a mistake.


I like this better. I will go the safe way and make sure I keep the body I have and the health I have, cuz I FELL SOOOOOO GOOD!!!!!

Never on this diet have I felt SOOOOO GOOD, SOOOO FULL OF ENERGY, NOT HUNGRY AT ALL?!?!??!!?

Now, when I would expect hunger, I am not hungry at all?!?!?!?!

I feel sooo good and feel so amazing (maybe from all the rest???)...la la la la, I wanna spread this energy to all of you!!!!!!

Hugs and kisses and all the best!!!!!

[shell]

Hi Maya,

Don't panic so much, you might not even gain any weight on re feed, you might actually loose some more!

Hope your day is going well and you haven't cooked up your assistant into pies!!

Will you post us some photo's, so we can all see your stunning new body??

Shell

[sundaymorningstaple]

Shell,

Very sage advice! I'm on my last day of refeed. I have actually lost weight throughout the whole process (bounced around under my target for the first week and then have been dropping until this morning when I leveled out at 800g below target).

I think Maya is stressing herself too much over something that is relatively simple to do, worse case scenario if in doubt repeat the previous two days. If you gain the weight back at the same place, repeat again. If it happens the next time, you are finished refeed. No big problem.

[Maya]

Thanks SMS and Shell...
And I'm sorry if I brought panic energy on here...didn't mean to, really...

And if I was in normal circumstances, where I had access to stores, communication, stable grounds to be able to weigh every morning...then I wouldn't even wonder and plan so much. But now I'm here and gotta deal with it...

I am still not hungry. Seriously. Nothing more than before. I feel good.
Simply good.
I am around 50kg now, so, 2 kg under the goal weight (but remember, I never got lower and higher goal range, just 52kg)... and I decided not to go lower than 49.5 kg hunger comes or not.

I feel good in my body and the heat here is getting worse, so more food doesnt really seems exciting to me now. And funny, when people see me, new people, they think I look good...When people that knew me BEFORE see me, they think I look too skinny now. Funny, really.


OK, I can't say I'm not teased by freshly baked cakes and stuff...but 13 weeks trained me well...

So, hopefully soon I will get hungry, too...

[ConnieK..]

Hmmm,

My refeed definately says the same as Pandora and Kannadew. A 1kg gain whether gained overnight OR accumulated from the beginning.

Bizarre.....

I have another question dependant on the answer as well. If I started refeed at 64.6kg and I have lost 1.4 .. so I am 63.2kg ...If it is accumulated if I weigh 64.2 (1kg over what I weigh now) do I go back or only if I go up to 65.6kg ????

Connie

[Maya]

Connie, I'm interested in that, too... I hope someone will answer...

I still don't understand it... my says very confusing...first it says if you gain during 24 period, go back 2 days...but then it also says - in case you gain weight during refeed, read the "go back 2 days" rules.

So...

Hoping someone will help explain this...

[shell]

If you gain more than 1kg from your start re feed weight, you go back 2 days.

So Connie if you go over 65.6kg you go back the 2 previous days.
Otherwise keep on going.
Shell

[ConnieK..]

Ok I checked with my clinic who asked Dr Cohen for me ... I actually copied some of these posts into my email.

He replied to the Clinic with 'refer to your program booklet'... which she sent me the paragraph from, and it is as stated in my refeed:

if it less than a kilo- ignore it it is likely to be temporary water retention.

if it is more than a kilo (whether gained in one day or you gain a little each day, once gained you have gained more than a kilo)- go back TWO DAYS on your program and repeat these days. You probably gained weight because your body was not ready for the increase. When you go back two days your body adjusts and you will not gain weight.

So thats the answer from Sydney Clinic anyway

Guess it's just an international difference.

Connie

[Maya]

Hm...
Really wish to know if this is to be expected...

I started refeed with 48.6, which went nicely up and down, even 500g up during night, one time 700g down...mostly more movements in the beginning...My refeed is 18 days long. The day 15 I was back to starting weight 48.6
then, day 17 was 48.9 and today, my last day went up during night 500 grams - so it's 49.4 ...

If you were in my shoes, would you cut some starch out today or should I just finish the refeed word by word - I had ALL the food written (except never 3 breads, sometimes crackers instead)...

I had my evening walk last night (easy after dinner), but then cooked jam from the rest of the fruit I'm leaving here...can't throw it away... Havent got much sleep last night.... Maybe 3-4 hours...

I am asking this here as hoping to get some ideas...gotta pack and leave today, make some meals for the plane ... thank you so much guys...

help?

[Annabelle Joy]

Maya, refeed is still a bit of a mystery to me, but as you haven't gone past the upper limit, I would follow the plan precisely even though it may mean repeating two days. It may turn out that everything's okay too.

AJ

[Kannadew]

Hi Maya... Your program says only repeat days if you put on a kilo from your refeed start weight...... you have only put on a total of 800g? from the beginning of refeed?.... then I would just finish the last day as planned. You dont need to repeat anything.

Blessya
Kannadew

[Maya]

yes, kanadew and it has been over night 500g, hardly any sleep....

kind of hard to know what to do since I have 2 days of travelling ahead of me and gotta make meals...

thanks!

[kagiesen]

Maya

don't fret! You are doing terribly well, and there is no need not to stick to the re-feed plan 100%. None of the 2 reasons for going back 2 days or cutting out carbs or starch is given.

I can understand that 49.4 is so close to 50, and that seems to be a magic barrier for you. It's the same with 60 for me. There might come a day when you will even go over 50, but as long as that's an exception, don't worry about it. Just finish the program as instructed, you are doing really well!

Katrin

[sundaymorningstaple]

According to the refeed guidelines, unless you exceed that magic 1kg figure (of which there is still controversy - seems the definition of "suddenly" is different in different parts of the world) you do not have to go back 2 days.

7. Refeeding is complete when:

> You reach the last day on your program, or
>When you have to go back and repeat the same two days more than two times

Based on what you are saying, my interpretation is that regardless, today is you last day of the program. You have not gained more than a kilo "suddenly" or for that matter through refeed as a whole. Therefore, having reached the last day. Today you are finished. Even if tomorrow you ARE over 1 kg you are still finished. At that point pick a place somewhere mid-refeed and then slowly start branching out......