Questions about Bread??

[Soon2bHotKitty]

LESSFATTY did your program say you can only have WHITE , BROWN or WHOLE WHEAT bread??
also..is WHOLE WHEAT the same as WHOLE MEAL?
confusing

[baloo]

LessFatty is on ReFeed. He's just teasing us with his tales of bread and butter.

No bread on Cohen's I'm sorry.

[Soon2bHotKitty]

Lol i know he is on refeed i am on my first day of refeed and in 2 days i will be able to have bread but im a little confused as to what kind

[baloo]

Ah sorry. I should have read your post more carefully.

Anyway, stop mentioning bread !

Any bread is OK on the refeed. I suggest you get a good one since you can only have one slice on the first day (refeed day menu day 4).

I ate brown bread. Unfortunately it gave me a hemorrhoid , so I haven't had any more since.

I tried soy-flour bread (Japan) and it seemed OK.

[Jo]

wouldn't you be best to go with a whole grain type bread with a low GI??

My favourite bread is Performax, with a GI of only 48...can't wait to eat it again.

[asy]

I love home made bread, and have a bread maker...

It's in a cupboard in the laundry...

I'm really looking forward to firing it up again.

asy

[lessfatty]

Originally Posted by Jo

wouldn't you be best to go with a whole grain type bread with a low GI??

My favourite bread is Performax, with a GI of only 48...can't wait to eat it again.

I am not sure that I can get low GI bread in Japan...I havent seen it! However soy bread (soy flour) is low GI and I quite like it.

This morning I had a slice brown bread with walnuts toasted in it with a scrap of real butter, gosh it was good....but I am finished yahoo !!!!

Honestly I am not going to move back to my old ways of my basic stable bulk food of my diet being carbs (rice, bread, noodles, pasta, potato).

[Kristine..]

G'Day

My program said the refeed bread was to be just ordinary 'sandwich' loaf bread, no 'health' breads, no multi grain etc

Just plain, ordinary, white or brown bread for refeed.

I developed a small pile after eating bread. After all, it is very absorbant and even with drinking all the water, it clogged up the system indescribably!

I enjoy bread, but it is all too easy to slip back into old habits, and I notice that if I eat bread each day it takes only about one week before I am sitting just under 61 kilos. I then have to have about three bread free days to swing back to the 60 kilo mark.

Personally, I think it is wheat which is the culprit. Rye or soy (which I have never eaten) may have less of an effect. Maybe I should experiment and see what happens!

lessfatty, go easy on the complex stuff too soon. Bread plus walnuts plus butter plus plus etc It may not seem like much but I reckon it took about three months before I could eat 'anything' without feeling really quesy or bloated or overloaded in some way. I particularly noticed the 'hangover' syndrome, that is, a high food day led to a low energy or headachey day as the system tried to deal with the unnecessary food.

You made a post a while ago about the 'poisonous' nature of some foods, and I have certainly experienced 'food poisoning' since finishing the program. Not in the traditional sense, but I am much more aware of response to food, eg fidgetting, grazing, feeling unsettled, and in some cases, actually ill. About three months after finishing, I went to a lunch and ate three courses including desert, a glass of wine and a cappucino, just an ordinary meal, but that night I was violently ill as the food was too complex and there was far too much of it.

I was actually very happy 'on Cohen's' and enjoyed the reliable pattern of the food. Out in the wild, meals are erratic and not dependable. At least Cohen's means eating regularly and taking the time to plan a bit beforehand.

And much as I enjoy the taste of bread, I like being slim better!

Cheers

Kristine

[Peter 14.7]

Great Post Kristine.

Really it makes sense. I don’t believe our bodies are made to eat lots of different foods at the same time. It is only been in last 100 years we have had refrigeration. Prior to that you bought or picked what was fresh and in season and ate it that day.

In the modern era this is known as "Slow Food Living" A founding principle of "slow foods" is that you eat what is grow locally and in season. You still have a range of food but not all at the same time. Similar to Cohens.

Living in the VIC Macedon Ranges, Slow Food is big.

Bread you buy from local artisan bakers like “Dutch Oven” Guy in Trentham. He uses old grains like Spelt and Kamut which are not processed to death and genetically selected for long life, etc...His bread only stays fresh 2 days before going stale. You have got to ask what they put into bread to keep it soft after a week!

You eat fresh, naturally sweet fruit and veg. Strawberries that melt in your mouth but will not last more than 2 days in fridge. Corn that tastes like it is dipped in sugar. Tomatoes that have never seen a chiller and gas chamber.

Also a lot of produce is farm sold. Only two weeks ago we can across a crate of Cauliflowers and Cabbage on the side of the road selling via the honour system for $3 each. They were still with dirt, leaf and cool to the touch. Probably picked that morning.

Lots of road side stalls sell other stuff like eggs (including duck) and heaps of Apples and Berries. There is even a free range organic pig & veggie farm with real roaming pigs. But they only have ham, bacon, etc.. part of the year when they slaughter.

Lastly, each Saturday the local villages share hosting the Farmers Market so you can wander a bunch of stalls and stock up again. Sadly some operators buy from Melbourne and bring up but they get found out and given the boot. What out for them. Ask the seller where they get it from ?

So my point is that this is how it should be. Look around your area and it probably exists as well.

Cohen’s has shown me I can survive on a lot less and still have, indeed have more, energy than before. Thus the reduced volume equates to increased quality for the same price.

Peter

[lessfatty]

Originally Posted by Kristine..

G'Day

My program said the refeed bread was to be just ordinary 'sandwich' loaf bread, no 'health' breads, no multi grain etc

Just plain, ordinary, white or brown bread for refeed.

I developed a small pile after eating bread. After all, it is very absorbant and even with drinking all the water, it clogged up the system indescribably!

I enjoy bread, but it is all too easy to slip back into old habits, and I notice that if I eat bread each day it takes only about one week before I am sitting just under 61 kilos. I then have to have about three bread free days to swing back to the 60 kilo mark.

Personally, I think it is wheat which is the culprit. Rye or soy (which I have never eaten) may have less of an effect. Maybe I should experiment and see what happens!

lessfatty, go easy on the complex stuff too soon. Bread plus walnuts plus butter plus plus etc It may not seem like much but I reckon it took about three months before I could eat 'anything' without feeling really quesy or bloated or overloaded in some way. I particularly noticed the 'hangover' syndrome, that is, a high food day led to a low energy or headachey day as the system tried to deal with the unnecessary food.

You made a post a while ago about the 'poisonous' nature of some foods, and I have certainly experienced 'food poisoning' since finishing the program. Not in the traditional sense, but I am much more aware of response to food, eg fidgetting, grazing, feeling unsettled, and in some cases, actually ill. About three months after finishing, I went to a lunch and ate three courses including desert, a glass of wine and a cappucino, just an ordinary meal, but that night I was violently ill as the food was too complex and there was far too much of it.

I was actually very happy 'on Cohen's' and enjoyed the reliable pattern of the food. Out in the wild, meals are erratic and not dependable. At least Cohen's means eating regularly and taking the time to plan a bit beforehand.

And much as I enjoy the taste of bread, I like being slim better!

Cheers

Kristine

I had a slice of brown bread with a scape of butter the bread also had some walnuts bits on the top (maybe 1 walnut), just one slice not a loaf and just once, one is not a beginning of a trend . Anyway I haven't had bread since, but I have had 50grams brown rice each day. These few days after refeed I have been particularly enjoying nuts! Milk is current 100% off the menu and Asthma is also 100% out of my life!

Interesting about getting piles/hemorrhoids, I got one before in Paris after eating a bread roll within 24 hours. Honestly I wasn't constipated then, nor was I during reefed, yet I got one during 24 hours after eating bread. It will be interesting to hear others experiences (not in graphic details mind you) of eating bread during refeed. I also think wheat is looking like a guilty suspect! Twice during refeed I got sick body shock from the foods, I literally had to lay down, since completing I have taken it easy simplified my meals. Mostly simple one protein foods, but I am enjoying out-of-bounds sauces like sesame dressing for tofu. I had fresh tofu, salad vegetables with organic sesame dressing tonight, at 9pm I had some nuts as a snack and I am feeling great! My taste preferences have really changed.

Tomorrow morning planning a real treat, a 2 egg omelet (no milk) with some real ham (wow a taste I havent had in a long time), tomato and spinach! But then again I may wake up and think ...not today...I feel like yogurt, mango and maybe with a crunchy few pumpkin seeds on top !

[Kristine..]

G'Day

Raw Almonds are just great! High in tryptophan, low in fat, good source of calcium, fibre and various vitamins and minerals.

My Mum used to eat almonds, hard cheese and the crusts off the loaf (all six sides of the loaf, the birds got the soft remainders!) and she had her teeth and a strong digestion right through until the dementia set in. After that, she had to eat the mushy stuff the accommodation place and later, the nursing home, fed her. But she had lived on almonds for eighty years and since Cohen's, I have discovered the joys of having a jar of almonds handy, too!

I have found that literally a handful is plenty. I put them on the desk and when I have eaten them, that's enough. But if I feel like a bite of something I have just one (or maybe two) at other times and that satisfies the need to chew something. Almonds take a lot of chewing!

I am a lot calmer and happier since Cohen's. I don't have the mood swings, I am a lot more tolerant, and my stamina is more enduring. I think the water also helps with this, that we don't realise how dehydrated most of us are - drinking coffee and tea is not the same as drinking plain water.

I went off to an appointment today, wearing a navy blue scoop necked skivvy and matching navy blue pants (it is Saturday and the monogrammed white shirt is a bit too formal for a Saturday) - and with the white monogram on the skivvy (size small) and trousers (size 10) I felt that I looked quite spiffy! Not a midriff bulge in sight, a neat and trim person wearing a neat and trim uniform! Not bad (for a 56 year old) if I say so myself.

Yoghurt & kiwi fruit for breakfast, yes, thanks, coffee (with milk) would be lovely at the customers, a Granny Smith apple and water on the way home, two crispbread and some hard cheese when I got in and baked, stuffed chicken with zucchini and roast potatoes and pumpkin for dinner.

I have never been so healthy, with clear skin, shiny hair, strong nails, good concentration etc than I have since Cohen's. Never mind the monkey glands, this program is the elixir of youth and for those of us who have completed the program a while ago, the benefits of this are more apparent every day.

To all of you, what you are doing now is not just about the weight loss. There really is a whole 'new you' emerging as each layer of the onion, so to speak, is peeled away.

Keep on keeping on, the rewards are really worth it!

Lotsa love

Kristine

[Melissa]

Hi, Just wondering if anybody has any information on the crackers we are allowed to have. These are store bought and contain preservatives, fat of some kind, salt etc. Is it possible to substitute these with say Mountain bread that is just flour and water. Or make your own.

Also I read somewhere that premium low fat had been put on the no no list! I got my program on May 25, 2007 and it says that I can have these. Could someone clear this up please.

Melissa

[lessfatty]

Welcome to the forum, following through on the Cohen diet and completing it will be life changing for you, looking back on the diet, it is not easy, but the results are there for taking, you just need to do it day by day , meal by meal.

There is a link to the allowed crackers http://www.1stpersonaldiet.com/crackers.htm. There are a few strange things with the diet crackers is one of them, logically and chemically mountain bread would be ok since it doesnt contain yeast and 11grams of mountain bread (dry weight) wouldnt be no different to 11 grams of crackers, however it just isnt going to hurt you to following 100% as best you, so just buy crackers that are recommend. Nabisco premiums (standard) was my choice for 90% of the time on the diet.

A different and slimmer you is just a 100 meals away , 300 meals away from being radically changed for the better , it is just like clockwork if you follow the plan as best you can.

[Melissa]

Thanks for your quick response Lessfatty. I am sticking to the diet but just wanted to know as I try where possible not to eat too many processed foods.

I am glad to finally be loosing weight so anyway it comes off is a bonus.

Melissa

[Lonniecee]

To my knowledge, Premium and Premium lights are okay as are Salada original and lights. I understand your concern re the processed foods but the small amount of these foods on the plan IMHO are insignificant whan taken into account our pre-cohens diet. I enjoyed the crackers and looked forward to having them as part of my meal, in fact, since refeed, the crackers have been on my menu more than bread, it is also easier with 'portion' control for me to have crackers or to take tham to work.

Lauren

[monique]

hi am about to start refeed and my consultant told me not to buy any low carb or low GI etc breads just the normal kind.

as I only like whoemeal or brown was wondering what "normal" bread people are buying on refeed?

thanks,Monique

[kagiesen]

Hi Monique

I had wholemeal and dark bread, that's the only one I eat, and that was fine (apart from that I really should stay away from it anyways as I do get bloated). I think that's normal bread, I have no idea why it should not be low GI. Wholemeal is healthier, and one reason is it's low GI. If that's what you'll eat for the rest of your life, then that's normal for you!

Good luck and success with refeed and well done!

Katrin

[Tuti]

Hi Monique,

Congratulations on reaching refeed. I hope you get an answer for your question about bread. My consultant said to have wholemeal etc but didn't say anything about low GI or Low Carb. I was looking at low carb bread for when I start refeed too.

Cheers

Tuti

[sassy123]

wat kinda of bread r u alound on refeed. is it just wholemeal. i can only eat white or multigrain. for some reason wholemeal bread makes me spew.