The +120gram protein rule?

[MissKris]

Hiya all,

I've just commenced maintenance a week ago, I have a question about the maintenance rule of adding 120grams of protein to your original plan protein weights. What I am wondering is - if I were to have a tub of yoghurt as a snack would that be counted as my +120grams of protein? So I'de have to keep my main meals as original plan weights?

I don't want to 'overeat' on my protein - so just wanted to clarify ...

Any responses appreciated

Thanks...
Kristy

[sundaymorningstaple]

Where did you come up with this rule? First I've heard about it in the 2+ years I've been around. It's not in any of the Maintenance plans that I'm aware of.

sms

[MissKris]

Hmm thats weird. It is in the back of my management guidelines - it says 'End of Refeeding additions' +120grams of protein, +200grams of vegetables. And my consultant said I should add these amounts to my original plan amounts and this is the approximate amount of protein/vege I should eat to maintain.

[sundaymorningstaple]

Unless you are projecting, or the programme has changed, my programme, under the Maintenance (not refeed) section at the end, gives you a set of "best practice" guidelines but nowhere does it espouse taking food in certain quantities. And, as you can see on theis forum, consultants often come up with strange conclusions of their own.

I would be interested in hearing from anybody else on here who has a maintenance guideline that recommends specific weightages for food after refeed.

I am attempting to get clarification.......

[FlaMie]

I don't get such rules too. I only get the maintenance guidelines.

[sixsoo]

Hi all,
I've had my management since mid jan. The last page is a grid to plan menus for a week and a copy of my personal eating plan and a box below with "End of refeeding additions" stated as 120g protein per day and 200 veg per day. It is purely a suggested menu planner and a reiteration of end refeed weights.
So far I haven't used it but my consultant recommended planning meals.
Hope this helps SMS

[Kohinoor]

Hi sixsoo,

Thanks for that. It seems others don't get this detail. Can I ask who/where your clinic is? That might align with MissKris, and explain things somewhat,

Koh

[MissKris]

My clinic is Booragoon, WA.

What sixsoo says is what I got also....my consultant did not really explain clearly that it was just a suggestion!

Also - anyone know how many grams an egg would be equal to in protein?

Cheers
Kristy

[Faithy]

Interesting.. I'd like to know more if anyone else has an explanation.. I was always under the impression from my consultant that it wasn't good practice to weigh our food in maintenance but to give our bodies variety so it wouldn't ''get use to'' certain amounts.. of course this too may be wrong??

[Determined28]

Hi everyone

Today is my second day in maintenace and I am following this rule. It is in the back of MY management guidelines.

My clinic is the one in Annerley Brisbane. My guidelines also say not to count calories.

[sixsoo]

Hi Koh.
I'm also with the Booragoon clinic in Perth. Must be a new thing? I think it's purely to help get organised on management as we all knew pretty much that the extra weights were what we finished maintenance eating.
Cheers Sue

[Kohinoor]

Hi sixsoo,

I think it's purely to help get organised on management as we all knew pretty much that the extra weights were what we finished maintenance eating

I suspect you meant "refeed" rather than maintenance - still....

Umm, I must say I am a bit surprised - like, do males also have the same numbers ?

You may not know - and that's OK. Of course, with all you new girls around "Normal", it may well make sense. Hmm - scratching chin.... In a way, it all sounds a bit "un-Cohen" - like, with each individual maybe needing different amounts. More to learn, methinks !!

Anyway, thanks for getting back,

Koh

[firefox]

In any case, I don't think weighing your food for the long term is helpful psychologically. It seems to me that it would make more sense to gently ease back into being able to train your body to tell you when it has had enough. That relationship between the stomach and the brain is what Cohen's re-establishes, I think.

Still, I guess we all have to find our own ways to cope with the world out there post-diet!

[sixsoo]

Hi Koh,
you suspect right. My kids would not be surprised that I put the wrong word in as I can't even get their names right! ( I do have quite a few though poor excuse as it may be) My apologies.
Sue

[sundaymorningstaple]

Originally Posted by sundaymorningstaple

Unless you are projecting, or the programme has changed, my programme, under the Maintenance (not refeed) section at the end, gives you a set of "best practice" guidelines but nowhere does it espouse taking food in certain quantities. And, as you can see on theis forum, consultants often come up with strange conclusions of their own.

I would be interested in hearing from anybody else on here who has a maintenance guideline that recommends specific weightages for food after refeed.

I am attempting to get clarification.......

This from Asy........

What you have said is right, they've misread the maintenance guidelines, or, don't know the difference between the word "guide" and "rule".

This from me........

I think that clinic is doing some adding to the programme that they shouldn't be.

[sixsoo]

Hi SMS,
I have just visited the Booragoon clinic for an "after beginning management information top up" on my request. (it really didn't stick in my head very well the first time round.) One point the consultant made to me was that if I was snacking on cheese or whatever in between meals I really should be reducing my protein ( or whatever) portion for the actual meals because the amount of food needed to "maintain" was the end of refeed portions. So this then explained to me the reasoning behind the weights stated at the back of my management guidelines. Whether it's an additional help for all new Cohens graduates or if it's just a Perth add on I don't know. But it is now clear to me why it's there.
I hope I haven't muddied the waters any further with this.
Sue

[sundaymorningstaple]

It's most definitely an unauthorized add-on that is not in the programme as sent by Dr. C. (The programmes, as I understand it, are emailed and printed & bound by the clinics). Therefore, we sometimes see stuff that isn't supposed to be there and usually gets found out just like this one did. The problem with stuff like that is, like the water issue that went around when I was still on the programme, has all of us believing that it was a Cohen rule that we should be drinking a litre of water per 25kg of body weight. This was also patently wrong. However, as long as you are maintaining in whatever fashion it's taking, that's all that really matters as you are no longer on the programme.

[hexi2]

No it seems that this is a 'new rule' in maintenance (my previous one didnt state it) but my new management guidelines DO

It says:

Your personalised refeeding program added specific quantities of protein and vegetables so that by the end you would be adding 120gms of protein and 200gms extra vegetable s to your personal eating plan (phase 1) allowances a day. THIS IS THE AMOUNT YOU SHOULD EAT EACH DAY IN THE FUTURE.

So it seems yes - we should continue weighing our food into maintenance and sticking to the original plan foods whereever possible. The more we weigh the more we will know the right portions and be able to eyeball some of the time. I think they have tightened up the guidelines as too many people loose their way - and making it clear about whats expected with some rules is a good thing. Sometimes common sense doesnt always prevail and 'rules' especially for us cohenites seems to work

[carrieanne_c]

I was thinking about this the other day, that they should lengthen refeed or provide a programmed plan of deviation say once or twice a week for those who are better with routine.

[mcpsych]

but if its a part of the plan and programmed- by definition cant be a deviation ( sorry just being a pedant hehe